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Keebelf
10-17-2005, 03:47 AM
Hey there all. This is my first build write-up so bare with me! I love the Perma-Vamp. She is just as tough as the Demon, and sometimes just as easy to build up but you can't just stand back with her (at least not the way I make them!).

First off, the Turn Into Vampire (TIV) combo. You want to socket as MANY TIV runes as possable and turn them into a combo. When you first start, try to find an armor that has 4 sockets. That is about as high as you can get with armor and so, once you put your TIV runes into there you don't have to take them out again and lose any. If you are having problems finding a sword and sheild with 3 sockets, try a two handed staff or something with 4 sockets, again, so you can get the most out of your runes.

SKILLS-

Vampirism- Maxed to about 50....you will know when you don't need to add points onto this when you stop getting damage from sunlight while in vamp form. Vampirism does affect regeneration of Vamp skills but your items will include enough +xx to Vamperism to get it quite high.
Weapon Lore- Maxed for a bit. Until you know what weapon you truly want to stick with, this is your best all around bet.
Constitution- Put points on when you feel comfortable.
Agility- Same as Const., probably not as important
Disarming- chosen only because I couldn't think of any other skill to get. You can change this with a specific weapon lore (axe/sword...etc.) if you know what you want.
Trading- I usually only put points on Vamp. and Med. and save my 3rd point from lvls. 20-30 in order to get Trading up a little bit faster.
Axe Lore- Thanks to Lacrossed for the Faldarmar's Set. :D

With Trading, you can pretty much treat that like your TIV combo.....find things with sockets and +xx To All Skills and socket them and wear them when you are trading. To make it worth while, I will usually trade during the day at Bravemart and fight at night. Eventually, doing it like this, you will have a total of 3 "wardrobes" in you stash or on your person. Wardrobe 1: your regular wear. Wardrobe 2: TIV combo gear. Wardrobe 3: Trading gear. If you are just going to empty your inventory and not worry about trading, don't bother putting on your Trading wardrobe if you aren't going to "window shop".

ATTRIBUTES:
I think I mainly switched between Strength and Dexterity. Since I get too confused with the "every other one" theory, I will go every 5 points, put on Strength and then the next 5 put onto Dex.

COMBAT ARTS:
I am pretty simple. I use ATTACK, CLAW JUMP and MULTI-HIT. With the rise in Vamperism you can get your ATTACK and CLAW JUMP regeneration down to 1sec. Also, drink only a couple and socket the rest for the Life Leech opportunity. That will keep your Regen. time down as well.

ITEMS:
Keep an eye out for the Station's Set, those give +xx to TIV which is good to use for your TIV Combo wardrobe but not as your fighting wardrobe (as far as I know...I do not have a complete set of that yet.).

Also, keep an eye out that quite a few of rings and ammies and other vamp stuff has Life Stolen from YOU with each Hit stuff. Sometimes it is pretty high and it might hinder you more than help you if you aren't careful.

Check out my post about Quick Keying Your CAs. and it might help as well.

Critiscm is welcome but please be gentle! :p

SirQuester
10-17-2005, 05:09 AM
Looks like you covered everything Keebs. The only thing I can think of is that a 4x Hard Hit combo is useful for boss enemies like dragons and giant spiders...if anyone still hunts them. lol

Keeb's thread she mentioned for quick keying: Quick Keying Your Combat Arts (http://forums.clan-da.com/showthread.php?t=2117).

ten76
10-17-2005, 07:57 AM
Looks good. You might want to consider adding points to armor and agility to make it easier to survive in plat and niob.

The set all my vamps are using are Thorwyns. Other than great MF it has a great bonus to Vampirism. My niob vamp has +136 vampirism from thorwyn alone.

I spend all my points at physical reg. At lvl 162 my attack CA is lvl 86 with 0.9 reg.

JimmyP
10-17-2005, 02:26 PM
wonders about your attributes :%
why not all into phys regen ?you gain strength enough each time you lvl up
want to keep your attack regen low right?then its all into phys regen
my vamp lvl 163 has 655strength and 677 phys regen
attack might be a bit low but gonna work on it soon attack 70 regen 0.7

nice write up:)

RangerRob
10-17-2005, 02:54 PM
As another regular vamp player I would personally drop Disarming and use the skill to take Parrying - you will be using Falamars so will have a shield and thus Parry will become an important part of your defence.

I would also put all my points in Phys Regen rather than Strenght/Dexterity combo, but have no problems either way.

Personally I stop spending my skill points at L21 in order to have 30 free to place in Trade as soon as you get it at L30.

Again minor strategical differences but both builds will work. Vamp MH is also killer in mob places like the PC. :)

sinclsw007
10-17-2005, 03:45 PM
Personally, I like a fire damage based build based on Thorwyn's and axe lore, so all attributes into strength works with that. I also like parrying instead of disarm for usefulness, and multi-hit instead of attack for multi targeting and damage.

snooker
10-17-2005, 03:48 PM
Looks good but i have a few tips..

"First off, the Turn Into Vampire (TIV) combo. You want to socket as MANY TIV runes as possable and turn them into a combo. When you first start, try to find an armor that has 4 sockets. That is about as high as you can get with armor and so, once you put your TIV runes into there you don't have to take them out again and lose any. If you are having problems finding a sword and sheild with 3 sockets, try a two handed staff or something with 4 sockets, again, so you can get the most out of your runes."

Here i would instead buy Combat arts ammys and socket this into gear to create the TIV combo. This saves you runes and make you able to create a combo of high attack,hardhit for dragons or other harder enemys.

And i also recommend Parry as rangerbob already stated..

Keebelf
10-17-2005, 05:52 PM
I have never really had any luck with the +xx to all CA items at really low levels. No clue if I am just passing over them or if they aren't as common at low levels as they are at higher ones.

I don't think I have ever considered Parrying because A. you are in vamp form and would it work (don't see why it wouldn't when you think about it) and, I have even used a bow once in Vamp form. Really anything that gives the highest damage unless I find something that just completely kicks complete butt.

Multi-Hit for me seems to be more miss than hit unless you are completely surrounded.

I do have to say that a vamp has been the only toon that I have ever INTENTIONALLY socketed SPLIT runes and worn Split items in the hopes of the baddies splitting.

snooker
10-17-2005, 06:06 PM
Well Keebelf..Heres my tips..

Start a dwarf. Make sure he picks trading at level 1. Get him a buttload of cash.

Then take the bravemart quest (or let someone else do it for you).

Max trading with your dwarf. then start buying all the + skill rings you can find (and ofcourse the + to all combat arts ammys). And then make your dwarf Trading gear with all those + to skill rings. Then it wont be hard at all to find these Combat ammys (or + to all magic arts ammys). It takes some time but not more than 3 hours i would guess. Btw you will be able to buy 4%
leech rings etc etc aswell making your new toons very powerful..

My low level trading dwarf (level 4) has + 38 to all skills with only 1 point invested in his skills. He can buy superb starting gear for my new toons.
An example is here..I started a new dwarf the other day with gear i have bought with my low level dwarf. At level 4 or 5 i had +7 or 8 to all CA:s (only one rune read)and about 200+ to magic find and flamethrower
regentime under 5 seconds. And then i could also create a combo with my combat gear (30 something war cry,cannon blast etc etc).

And this i do with all my new toons making them powerhouses in the early levels..

The thing about trading is that it seems to matter a great deal on what level your toon is vs level of trading skill. Ill explain..

If your toon is level 1 and you have skill gear on making the trading skill level 38. This means the trading skill is 38 times the level of your char. This equals
a buttload of rares believe me :)..

If your toon is level 30 and trading skill is level 60 it is only 2 times you toon level meaning less rares (quite a difference).

Here is a link to my little dwarf trading guy for abit more information.
http://forum.sacredeng.ascaron-net.com/showthread.php?t=34571

Ps if you see me online i have lots of spare + to all skill equipment you can have for your dwarf if you start one..

Best of luck
/Snooker..

sinclsw007
10-17-2005, 07:00 PM
Keebs, don't underestimate Multi-hit :cool: .

Back in Plus it was extremely effective - at highish levels against undead at night it was the silliest thing you've ever seen, it was killing skels off screen in the desert, and several rooms away in dungeons :eek: .

Now that I think about it more and I have the space, I'm going to create a vamp just for rune hunting - and spamming mh with a Fad axe as a fire damage build sounds like it stands a decent chance :) .

snooker
10-17-2005, 07:09 PM
Yeah i second multihit ..

If you miss you can just tell the monsters you are dancing :) ..In fact
they should rename Vamps multihit to disco hit :)

JimmyP
10-30-2005, 02:23 PM
and how to get a great rune finder?

my vamp lvl 172 found a way to upgrade your tiv combo.naked she has read 34 runes,1 attack 31 tiv and 2 jump runes.
her tiv combo was lvl 82 last night till i found a silver ring +35 tiv
i decided to use it to up grade my combo and gave the ring to Stick his vamp
my combo is now 117 and not having the ring :D

About the read runes i think 31 tiv is too mutch..20 would be enough
my vamp finds a load of runes +/- 6 a min sometimes a bit more,if i had read less runes i guess i didnt want to lvl her up ..would have found way too many runes :)
hope this will help some vamps who wants a great rune finder
her attack 84 regen 0.7 lady magorys gloves +41 attack / belt nice rsm +21 attack few def ammys +10 /12to attack
1 great killing (attacking) machine here:D

SirQuester
10-30-2005, 06:14 PM
Hey Jimmy, would you mind posting the skills you took as well? I wouldn't mind knowing. :)

JimmyP
10-30-2005, 07:59 PM
sorry SirQ :) here you go weap l keep it maxed vampirism +/- 35 is enough rest comes from thorwins
taken axe lore +/- 40 is enough till you have max weapon speed 220
my shoulders are from bravemart rsm 175 +48 to parrying 1 socket
belt +21 attack nice rsm+135 and phys regen110 no sockets
take a look for yourself,gloves lady magorys niob version +41 to attack
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8404/shot00005mc.th.jpg (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot00005mc.jpg)

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4888/shot00011tu.th.jpg (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot00011tu.jpg)

why not thorwins shoes? too low mf and the set bonus isnt cool
anouks boots gives in niob 200 mf,using a vilad shield 2 sockets nice resist and 221 mf

about attributes...i have put all points into phys regen ..you gain str enough each lvl and you want to have high attack in niob vs low regen
attack at this lvl 85 regen 0.8,hope to find some nice rsm ammys to use my new belt wich has +34 to attack and bit less rsm 87 and 2 sockets
gets my attack to 99 regen 1.1 ...bit too high for me
attack duration 0.6 sec and hits 3 times and i never miss a hit at night
at daylight sometimes i miss but i am doing fine ,my attack rating is ok